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let me tell you what's important, your teacher pay scales. those are important. this is a sovereign nation. as a matter of fact, senator kerry, we don't often agree with senator kerry, interesting quote. well, i won't use all of his language. we're just doing their bidding. we're their lackeys. we are not in control. you guys, quote, the pakistani government, are an american puppet, blah, blah, blah. what he was saying was, don't put all these arbitrary caveats on this bill. let's support president obama. he hasn't been there that long. he wants to implement his policy. he says he needs flexibility. i agree with him. this is one of the most complicated complex problems we will face when it comes to national security. . through your waiver agreements in this bill, publish -- the inspectors to publish reports listing the names and locations of every firm in the program.
this is a nation be beleagered by terrorists. why would you give them a list published by the united states government? it makes no sense whatsoever. you often talked about the previous administration telling people how to live and govern. this is the most intrusive, most arrogant approach to providing someone assistance that is actually helping us fight terrorism in the most difficult area i can find in the world today. i'm going to ask you, please, take a look at this motion to recommit. it puts common sense back in it and says we will get to the teacher pay scale another day. but today, we are worried about the safety and security of our soldiers in afghanistan who are under attack from taliban leaders, head quartered in pakistan. we are worried about the network
who is getting arms and other things to target our soldiers. we are worried about faslulah in pakistan. that ought to be our watch today. we are getting ready to send fresh united states troops to this region. our focus has to be national security. it has to be their security. it has to say, pakistan, we are a partner, not your mother. we're not going to hold your hand in this. we are going to be your equal partner in your fight in terror. i would yield back the remainder of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california is recognized for five minutes. for what purpose does the gentleman rise? mr. berman: seek to oppose the motion. i made a mistake earlier, i objected to the reading of the
motion to recommit. i should have asked for a reading of the bill. as much as i admire the gentleman, the one thing clear to me is he didn't read the bill. we have absolutely no conditions or restrictions or efforts to earmark or tie up any of the economic assistance in this bill. why you would say that is only because someone told you that because when you look at the bill, we have some principles, some suggestions, we lay out things that need to be done to rebuild or to build democratic institutions in pakistan, to build a school system. we know that we are providing up to $12 billion, much in economic assistance for schools who have no teachers. we are providing money for teachers who have no education and don't know how to teach science and math. so we suggest in this bill some
guidelines and tie no one's hands. we don't tie the secretary's hands. we don't tie the pakistanis' hands. when we put our pakistan bill, we went to the minority and said let's work on a pakistan-afghanistan bill. they weren't interested. the problem with the minority's way to do a motion to recommit, the leadership meets in some office. they don't bring in the republicans from the committee, and they come up with a motion to recommit. let's join afghanistan with pakistan. we have been trying to do that for four months in our committee, but the minority didn't want to do it that way. and by the way, we just had a little vote. we had a vote on a republican substitute that on security assistance had no monitoring provisions, no auditing
provisions, no evaluation provisions. this is in the context of $12 billion that has been spent, a huge amount on reimbursement for which there are no receipts and can't find where it went for. if you like what is going on there, you are praising. when musharraf kept making agreements with the taliban, was that a wise thing to be encouraging? i don't think so. the only thing we provide any benchmarks on is the security assistance. and what we say there is, mr. president, look at how that money's being spent and make a determination whether or not pakistan has a commitment that they are now, by the way, demonstrating to combating the insurgency and fighting the terrorists and whether they're making progress and are they cooperating in the efforts to dismantle the proliferation regime and are they going -- and
mr. president, you make the determination. you make the decision. we have worked with the leadership of the armed services committee to make sure that the security assistance -- i will not yield -- make sure that the security assistance gets to the pakistani military as quickly as possible, but not equipment that has nothing to do with the counterinsurgency. we want the equipment, helicopter, night-vision goggles, training to go as far as as it can. in our bill, we waive the restrictions that exist on the national security assistance programs. this is a motion to recommit that includes an afghan bill that says continue in your usual way. it means we have been arming the taliban because they steal the guns we provide and use them against our forces and the
afghan forces and repeat in toto the republican substitute we just rejected. let's try to re-establish some sense of bipartisan collaboration. these differences aren't that great. we can work them out if the majority and minority cooperate. i say as chairman of the committee with jurisdiction over these issues, i would love to put together a bipartisan approach. maybe we can start working on that for the conference committee. and i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the previous question is ordered on the motion to recommit. the question is on the motion. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. the noes have it and the motion is not agreed to. mr. rogers: recorded vote. the speaker pro tempore: a recorded vote is requested. those favoring a recorded vote will rise. a sufficient number having arisen, a recorded vote is
ordered. members will record their votes by electronic device. pursuant to clause 9 of rule 20, the chair will reduce to five minutes the minimum time for electronic votes on the question of passage. this shall be a 15-minute vote and a 15-minute only. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.]
nays are 255. the motion is not agreed to. for what purpose does the gentleman from michigan, for what purpose do you rise? mr. upton: mr. speaker, can i have order for a moment? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan, for what purpose do you rise? mr. upton: as dean of the michigan republican delegation i have the sad duty to relay the news that our former california, carl pourcel from michigan passed away this morning. he was the ranking member on the labor-hhs appropriations committee for many years. he retired in 1993. and i would yield to mr. mccotter, who represents plymouth, michigan. mr. mccotter: i thank the gentleman. i grew up in carl's district. we watched as he went from a wayne county commissioner to michigan state senator and then into this illustrious body.
and as a young person growing up getting interested in politics, carl's example was an inspiration. it showed that a fine and decent gentleman could come from the smalltown of plymouth, retained his main street dues and do the people's business in the people's house. the last several years had not been kind to carl. he is in a far better place, and we are all diminished. our best goes out to his family, and we'd appreciate it if we keep him in your prayers. i yield back. mr. upton: mr. speaker, i ask for a moment of silence. the speaker pro tempore: members will rise. members in the gallery will rise for a moment of silence.
the speaker pro tempore: without objection, five-minute voting will continue. the question is on passage of the bill. all those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. the ayes have it. the bill is passed. >> i ask for a recorded vote. the speaker pro tempore: all those in favor of a recorded vote will rise. a sufficient number having arisen, a recorded vote is ordered. members will record their votes by electronic device. this shall be a five-minute vote. and a five-minute vote only. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the